The Being & The Doing EPISODE 28:
Why We Worry and How to Stop
We can spend a lot of time worrying enough though it doesn’t get us anywhere. Constant worrying and pessimistic thinking distracts us from our ability to refocus and take proactive steps to manage our fears and concerns. In this episode we look at why we worry and some simple ways to stop travelling along the “what if” path.
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Full Transcript of the Show
Laurel: Well, hey, lovely ones. Welcome to Episode 28 of The Being and The Doing. So, today we are going to talk about worrying. Remember that Bobby McFerrin song, ‘Don’t worry, be happy now’? And maybe now you’re worrying, ‘Oh my goodness, I hope she’s not going to sing any more of that.’ Don’t worry. I’m not. I mean, you can hear her laughing. I’m here with Neela, our producer to have a bit of conversation about worrying because who doesn’t? And let’s not so much. Let’s work on, perhaps, worrying a little bit less. So, Neela, are you a worrier?
Neela: You know what? I am a worrier. You know, my mom used to have this saying, well, not used to, shoot, she’s alive and well and she still has this saying, but she hasn’t said it for a while. She used to say, you know, “If you just worry about something enough, everything goes okay.” Like she would, she felt like if she just worried about it, it would be okay. My mom went to the class because she’s a very positive person.
Laurel: Sometimes it’s funny because, oh my goodness, I think about my mother who is not with us any longer, but my mother used to have some great wisdom that she would share and sometimes she would say things like that too. Not specifically that one, but kind of like, what? Like really? No, I’m afraid you can’t, you can’t be like, if you only worry well enough, it’ll go away.
Laurel: Yeah. Yeah.
Neela: I mean, I don’t know if I come by it honestly or not or whatever, but yeah, I’m a worrier. I’m an over-thinker and I think they’re tied together. Like I’m kind of a bit of an introvert, you know what I mean? So, my brain is just always sort of thinking about stuff and I wake up in the morning, I think we talked about this in the last podcast. “How do you start your day?” Well, I used to start my day like that. And in fact, that’s when I started my little daily ritual during a gratitude journal. So, I would knock that off because what would happen is, I would start the day worrying and I would stew about something and you know what, by the time I was in the shower, I was actually upset.
Like I had woken up and by the time I’m in the shower, I can feel I’m getting mad, I’m getting cranky. And I thought, no, no, no, no, no. This is such a waste of a beautiful day ahead and it’s the minute I changed my morning routine, a totally different start to my day. So, the gratitude journal nip that one right in the bud. And I know we’re going to get into a little bit about the causes of worry, but yeah, I think some of us are a little bit more like that, tend to worry. I have some people in my life who are not worriers and I envy them.
Laurel: And I do think we inherit the habit of worrying. Like, so your lovely mom, if she’s a worrier, then we sort of learned that because, you know, as we’re growing up, we’re listening to the language of the people around us, talking about things in a worrisome kind of way. But I’m trying to think back of, was I ever like a super worrier? I don’t think so, but I’m really conscious of my own. Like if I’m stepping into that place of worry, I’m really aware of when I’m in the presence of it, of hearing other people getting into that sort of kind of cascade that you’re talking about of, you know, well, what if this and what if this and what if this and what if this, and then before long, my goodness, you know, it’s like post-apocalyptic life is happening.
You know, I think one of the best ways to think about worrying is; worrying is really a rocking chair, right? It’s like just like being in a rocking chair because when you’re sitting in a rocking chair that takes energy, right? You’re creating energy and there’s the ongoing energy of back and forth and back and forth and back and forth and you don’t get anywhere. Like, you know, it’s not energy that’s taking you anywhere. And that is what worrying is about. A lot of energy goes into it and you know, with all of your mom’s best intentions, we can’t worry well enough to make something change, like no amount of worrying will change the outcome of something.
Laurel: And when we can actually sort of first understand that and then like really embrace that idea that this is not a productive use of my time and energy, it’s not going to change this thing that I am anxious or upset about or concerned about. I will have no impact just because of this conversation that’s going on in my head.
Neela: Right? I think there’s a bit of self-soothing with that behavior too. It’s like I’m trying, I’m protecting myself in my heart by thinking, you know what I mean? If you’re thinking and you’re trying to prepare yourself, you’re even going through little scripts in your head of what you’re going to say. So I think sometimes that’s why we start that behavior, to kind of, to try and, although I think this backfires on us to try and feel maybe a little bit safer cause we thought it through or we’re trying to find an answer to it or I don’t know.
Laurel: Yeah, I don’t know, Neela. I’m not sure that’s what the quality of people’s worrying looks like. I’m not sure that it’s that sort of proactive. I think people’s worrying is more like, well, what if this happens? And, oh my God. And we begin to go to the, like we always like leapfrog to the worst case scenario, you know, is that, you know, somebody’s late coming. My mother-in-law used to be dreadful about this, that if someone was supposed to arrive at, you know, two o’clock, well, probably at two minutes to two, she’s already started worrying about it and by five after like she’s really concerned and by 10 after, you know, it’s terrible and by quarter after two, you know, she’s got them dead and buried somewhere that, you know, some terrible, terrible thing has happened other than okay, you know, well, there’s like traffic or there’s weather or they were late leaving or you know, 101 other things.
Mark Twain in all his wisdom, he described worrying as; worrying is like paying a debt that you don’t owe. And I really love that idea that, it could, you know; cause he goes on to say that he spent most of his life worrying about things that never happened. That if you were to think about, you know, I worried about this and this and this and yeah, all that, that never happened. If we can take that energy and do something different. And I think there’s this distinction between actual fear of something because fear is something that you feel in the moment that where there’s actual sort of danger or a real risk that is happening in the moment, and that kind of makes sense. That makes sense. Right? Like if there is some horrible, risky thing that is happening, fear makes sense but worry is actually just a thought loop. It’s the anticipation of something that you’re thinking is going to happen, that maybe never happens. So, worry is not about a thing that’s actually happening. It’s about a thing that you’re imagining happening.
Neela: And to go along with that, I think the idea of questioning your thoughts is always really important. And that’s something that in the last few years has been one of my focuses. Whenever I start spinning on a thing in my head, I have to really get real sort of with myself and go, is this your imagination or is this based on actual for real? Like is this factual, do you have enough information to be having these fantasy worries? And almost always the answer is no, I actually don’t know enough. And because there’s this gap between how I’m feeling and what information I actually need that I filled that with worry.
Laurel: Yeah. Yeah. And you know, I understand people, people say, well I’m just a worrier. And it’s like, yeah, we can just be a worrier. And what that means is it’s just a bad habit that you have. It’s a skillset. It’s a skillset that you have learned somewhere along the way that is not very productive or helpful, but we keep doing it over and over and over again. Like lots of bad habits that we have, like habits that are probably unconscious in a lot of ways. Like we get into the worry loop without even actually realizing like, oh, like I’m already, you know, two thirds of the way down to the, you know, apocalyptic scenario before I even recognize that’s what’s happening. And you know, I think too that worry is sometimes actually a form of procrastination.
Neela: Hmm. Interesting.
Laurel: That if I spend my time like turning this over and over in my head and expending all of this energy where it feels like I’m doing something but I’m not really doing anything, it actually prevents me from doing something else. So, I’m spending my time worrying, procrastinating about doing something more useful or valuable. You know, it’s kind of like social scrolling in social media, right? It feels like I’m doing something, but it’s pretty much just a waste of my time because I’m not actually doing something that’s of any use or value. So, what do you worry about?
Neela: Oh, you’re actually asking.
Laurel: Oh, I’m asking. Well, yeah, I’m asking. Hey, lovely ones out there, let’s all just pause for a little. Oh, everyone pause. I’m asking the question to everyone who’s listening. I’m going to give you a little space for a moment let you think about this. Don’t actually start worrying about it, but when you worry, what is it that you’re worrying about? So, let’s just have a moment here. Just think on that. What are you actually worrying about?
Okay, Nyla. Okay. Now I’m asking you, so when you worry.
Laurel: What do you worry about?
Neela: Well, let’s see. I think I have some common themes I might worry about, maybe something with the kids. I have some pretty fun, you know, there’s some common things, kids, or if I’ve got a big thing coming up at work or if I’ve got a, you know, a relationship thing or a financial thing, money thing, you know, like how am I going to juggle this and that and the other or whatever, how am I going to do that? But yeah, when I have to say it out loud, it’s funny. Every time I have to say worry out loud, by the way, it always sounds silly, doesn’t it? When you have to actually verbalize it sometimes, I find like it’s like, oh why would you worry about that? But sometimes the little deep hobgoblins in your head seem rational and then the minute you say the thing out loud, it sounds, oh.
Laurel: So, think about it this way; I often describe that conversation that’s going on in your head as like a committee meeting, right? Cause most of us have been in a meeting, you know, at one time or another or sat on a committee and so it’s like in your head is kind of like the board room and there’s all kinds of people sitting around the table just like in any other meeting and some people talk, some people don’t talk, you know, just like, you know, you have certain voices in your head that are louder than others. And you know, if you’re a real worrier, you probably have the guy or girl in the meeting who is always, okay, well that’s never going to work, this is not going to turn out that, you know, do you realize how bad this is going to go? Well, that person just takes over the conversation and kind of sucks all of the air out of the room. So you’re right that when you say it out loud, it’s like you’ve taken it out of the internal, you know, meeting that’s going on in your head and now have put it out into the real world where it’s kind of in the light of day, right?
Laurel: That board room meeting can be sort of a dark place sometimes of what’s being said repeated in there. So, we’re just bringing out in the light of day where you kind of go, yeah. You know, it’s like the zombie apocalypse probably isn’t going to happen and I probably don’t need to be thinking so much about that, but we bring it back to all the things, you’re right. If our lovely listeners were to go into the show notes and scroll down into the comments and post a comment, you know, what are the things that you worry about? I bet you we’re going to get like real common themes, you know, worrying stuff about your kids that they’re going to be saved, that they’re going to make right choices that they’re not hanging out with, you know, questionable people that they’re not going to get sick, all of that stuff. And yeah, you know, we worry about people, I think, basically about their safety and that they’re going to be okay, right? Isn’t that what we’re worrying about?
We’re going to be, but now when I think and sort of what prompted this topic of hey, let’s do an episode about worrying. It’s not just about like what’s happening in our little family or you know, in our workplace. It’s like we worry about like really big stuff like the half of the planet’s on fire and you know we worry about sort of bigger social kinds of issues or you know, like big stuff. Now there is things to worry, we worry about holy smokes, is the world going to be engaged in war? Like big things to worry about that aren’t just, you know. I’m worrying whether my kid makes curfew or not, which is not, that’s not a big thing. But there’s also these big, big, big things that are hanging over us.
Neela: Right. And one thing I’ve learned about myself is that my worry doesn’t happen in isolation. It’s about my general level of anxiety at that time. My self-care, a lot of those things. So, you know, this idea of I’m already a little run down or I’m tired or my sleeping’s not great or I’ve had too much caffeine this week or whatever, it is that’s ramped me up. And then the cherry on top, you know what I mean, becomes the thing I worry about. And so usually I find I have to dig a little deeper into, it’s actually usually not actually about the thing I’m spinning about or worrying about, it’s my general level of anxiety and actually I have to dig into that and then I go; “Okay, Neela, how much sleep have you been getting? And you’ve been having way too much coffee.” You know what I mean? I dialed down the sort of context that worrying is happening in my life and I find that little bit of self-care peace suddenly makes that anxiety magically. You know what I mean? Magically makes that thing I’m worried about also, you know, dials that down too.
Laurel: Well, and that’s a really good point for anything, whether it’s about worry or, you know, our ability to manage stress or anything else. It doesn’t happen in a vacuum. You know, when we think about resilience, you know, resilience is really about skills that we practice on a daily basis that are surrounded by the way in which we care for ourselves. So if I don’t eat properly and if I don’t get enough exercise and if I don’t, you know, do the other things that allow me to, you know, be at my best, get enough sleep, whatever those are, when I stopped doing that, then I can’t handle stress or the chaos, the gong show of life that’s coming at me, I can’t handle that and I’m less able to be able to recognize, oh, this is just some sort of crazy worry loop that’s going on in my head, I just sort of get on that ride, the roller coaster ride. Woo, let’s just go and you know, and before long you find you’re screaming, thinking, I want to get off.
So, you know, I have some ideas that I’d love to share about how to manage worrying because really when we recognize that worry is just a thought cycle and thoughts are just thoughts. They’re not facts, they’re not instructions, they’re just thoughts. And if I can first recognize this, this is just a thought I’m having in my head and it is no more true or not true than anything else, it’s just a thought, that’s the first place to begin. These are just thoughts. It’s not what’s happening. It’s what I’m imagining is going to be happening. And if I also recognize that worrying is really a bad habit, it becomes our default way of managing any kind of anxiety or concern that I might have. Like maybe there is an actual concern that is their present. But worrying becomes the default way of handling that. Not a very productive or helpful way of handling it because we do get into that sort of cascading thinking of what if this and what if this and what if this and what if this and what if this.
And the other thing that becomes really apparent when we sort of step back and look at worrying for what it is, when you’re engaged in that worrying, it’s as if you don’t trust your future self to be able to handle whatever the heck is coming along, as opposed to, I got this, like I am building my toolkit of skills and, you know, whatever’s coming, I can handle it. So, I want you to think about worrying as, you know, let’s take that habit away or put it aside, you know, cause as we know with habits, we don’t really get rid of our old habits, we just stop using them and create a new habit, like a new skill set. Cause you can’t kind of happy face your way out of worry.
You can’t, it’s not just like, well, like, you know, with all due respect to, you know Bobby McFerrin, you know, let’s not just don’t worry, be happy grade. And we need a school, a skill set, a tool. And so, I have a tool that I’ve taught clients forever on about how to manage themselves when they find themselves having worrying thoughts and I’m going to put a link there in the show notes that you can download this great little tool. It’s free, and if you’re able to, you could pause right now, just go the show notes, download it so you’ve got the visual. If you’re doing something; if you’re on a treadmill or driving or whatever you’re doing that doesn’t let you do that, then make sure that you go and grab it later because it’s a really nice visual to help you worry less.
I don’t in any way suggest that you’re going to completely stop worrying. I find myself catching myself sometimes like, oh wow, I’m worrying. I try to switch up the language of it, oh, I seem to concerned about this thing. I’m trying to get away from that language of worrying. So, here’s how it works. First you need to label your worry as a thought. This is a, I’m having a thought about something that I’m concerned with and kind of make that shift of this isn’t real, this is just a thought that I’m having. Now, what is it that I can do with this particular thought? So, you’ll see in this little tool, it’s like sort of looks like a flow chart. I’m going to identify, well, what is this worry? What is this thought that I’m having? I’m going to say it on, I’m worried that this or I’m concerned about this. And the first question that you’re going to ask yourself then is, “Do I have direct control over this thing happening?” Because the vast majority of things that we worry about are completely out of our control and no amount of worrying is going to put it back in our control or going to change the outcome. So, first am going to identify this is this worry is just a thought, I’m going to say what it is and then I’m going to ask myself the important question, “Do I have direct control over this?” So that’s a yes or no question, yes or no.
So, let’s say it’s, yes, I actually have control over this or I have some control over this. So, some people worry; let’s say they worry that they’re going to get sick. Like I worry Jesus, I won’t age well, I’m going to get sick. Okay, do I have direct control over this? Well, not exclusively, but I got some control there. Like there’s lots of things that I could do about that. So, if the answer is yes, it’s like, okay, then let me brainstorm some possible things that I could do if I have direct control over this. Well I could eat better, I could exercise more, I could manage my stress like a dah, dah, dah, dah. Here’s things I can do, now pick something and do it because you can take the energy of this. This thing that I am worried about, I have direct control over it or I have some control over it. Brainstorm what I could actually do, now do it, way better use of your time and energy because taking action in that way may very well actually affect the outcome of what’s happening.
Now, do I have direct control over this? No. And there are a lot of things that are out of your control. The big one is anything that anyone else is going to do, not in your control. Maybe we would like to think it is, but it’s not the only thing that’s in our control with respect to other people, are the things that we do. So, let’s think about our kids because you know, we like to worry about our kids. So let’s imagine that we’re worrying that our kids are not going to make a good choice about something, is that in my direct control? No, because they’re going to make a choice. They’re going to make whatever choice; they’re going to make that choice partially based on whatever it is. I’ve taught them going ahead. So, there is a little piece that’s in my control that I want to teach my kids how to make good choices and knowing that ultimately, they’re going to make a good choice or they’re not going to make a good choice, that’s out of my control.
So, no, it’s not in my control. The next thing that you want to do once you actually say that out loud, this is not in my control, is I’m going to try to release a little bit of that tension and I can do that by breathing a little bit, you know, using my breath to kind of, okay, this is not in my control, right? Sometimes I use the language, this is not my problem to solve. And then I can use a little bit of positive self-talk. This is not in my control. I trust myself to be able to handle whatever it is that happens as a result of this. Now, I can also then shift to think about, well, what’s the most empowering way I can think about this thing? Well, I’m really worried that my kid’s not going to make a good choice, I’ve taught my kids well, I’m going to trust them to make the best choices that they can in the moment that feels better than worrying. I’m trusting what it is that’s happened and now I’m going to shift to something that I can control.
So, in that situation, I can’t control what choice they’re going to make. I can maybe control what I’ve taught them, I can maybe control how, like brainstorm a little bit about, hmm, okay, so, let’s say kid picks not good choice. Okay, how will I want to handle that when they do that? How will I want to show up as the parent if they don’t make the right choice? Okay, good. Let me focus on that. How I can be the best parent when they don’t make the great choice and then I can work on implementing that. Now, whether it’s a yes or a no, is this under control? I’ve moved into a place of positive action rather than sitting there spinning my wheels thinking, oh no, this is not harming. The question is this within my control?
When you recognize, oh heck of a lot of stuff is totally out of your control, then it allows you to shift to focus on the things that are. So, maybe you’re worried about, you know, the economy. I’m worried about the economy. I’m worried I might lose my job. Is this in my control? No, probably not. Right? Because it’s a function of what’s going on and so maybe I can release that a little bit, some positive self-talk about, you know, I’m really good at what I do. You know, I make valuable contributions, I have a lot of great skill sets. Maybe this is going to be okay and now what can I focus on?
Well, I’m going to focus on doing the best job that I can while I’m here in this job. Or, well, if this is maybe feels like it might be a possibility, I can focus on, I’m going to brush up my resume, you know, hopefully, maybe I’m not going to ever need it, but you know what, let me do it now while I’m still working, you know, like I haven’t brushed up on my resume for a long time. Like, let me do that now and kind of get that great, or maybe I can start leaning into my network a little bit. I’m beginning to do some things that are proactive that actually make a difference rather than just sitting there going, oh no, I’m really afraid of what might happen, I’m afraid of what might happen. It’s actually, a really quite simple tool when you learn the steps of it. And so, you know, when you see the picture of it’s very straight forward. Once you’ve learned how to kind of use it, you’ll find it’s quite simple to be able to use it. And, you know, you just have to learn the steps in the beginning. What does that sound like Nyeela, that kind of a tool?
Neela: Oh, I love it. I think that this idea of is it in my control to begin with and also whose business is it actually? You know what I mean? There’s this whole idea and I think a lot of us, it’s almost a boundary thing in a way, which is like, am I actually in your business right now? And I know we feel like we need to be with our children, but not always either and sometimes that empowers them to make a decision, you know, face some natural consequences for decisions, you know, within a certain safety boundary of course. But this idea of working through a process, I love that so that you’re not actually just sitting there internally in your head, but go do something.
Neela: Be an active steward of your life instead of sitting there in this internal little whirlwind that’s going on in your head.
Laurel: Yeah. Which I think is why I have really started using that question for myself. Excuse me, a lot about is this my problem to solve? Or actually the declared statement on this. I don’t even have to ask the question, I already know this is not my problem to solve. Because that then shifts my focus because yeah, even when we think about our kids, you know, yeah, we all want our kids to be nice and safe and, you know, put them in bubble wrap and all of that stuff and like that’s not what’s going to make them, you know, high functioning adults. Like they have to make choices, experience, consequences, you know, fall down, get up, fall down, get up. That’s how we become adults.
And so sometimes our worry is, we’re trying to protect them from the experience of actually becoming adult human beings. And so as we sort of step back a little bit and I know what it feels like, you know, you’re in the midst of it, whatever it is that you’re worrying about and it feels like but you can just work with this tool and at the same time if you find that worry or anxiety is at such a level that, you know, even a tool like this is not helpful or that you’re being consumed or it’s really affecting how it is that you’re functioning, then that’s the time when you need to reach out for help from someone else to be able to help you manage that.
So, you know, I don’t want to suggest that sometimes you know, that all anxiety or worry is just something that we can go, okay, well here’s a simple little tool, we’ll use that and it’ll all be fine. No, sometimes, for some people, they’re really struggling with the weight of a number of things and maybe need, you know, a little bit more help. And so, if that’s the case, of course, you want to be reaching out for help. You know, Charles Schultz, you know Peanuts? Charles Schultz?
Laurel: He said one time, we shouldn’t worry about the world ending today because it’s already tomorrow in Australia. And I always liked that quote because it was kind of like, you know, it’s just this perspective, this little bubble that we’re in right now, we’re focusing on that and if we sort of look up and it’s like, yeah, you know what, it is already tomorrow somewhere else that, you know, this day is not really ending. It’s all perfectly good.
So, okay, homework, a little bit of being and doing homework as always and on the show notes page, you can always grab the little free worksheet if you want. Just a way to sort of organize this, something to think about and something to try. But you don’t have to do that. You can, you know, just write it on a napkin or wherever you want. So, your something to think about it question for this episode is: What is your biggest worry? So, can you name what is the biggest worries or your most consistent worry and try to be specific. We don’t want to say, you know, world peace, like that’s pretty big. Like try to narrow it down. If it’s something about your kids, narrow it down a little bit and then ask yourself that, all powerful question is this thing within your control and be really clear about, here’s this thing that consumes me with worry, consumes my time and energy, is it within my control?
And just like see how that fits when you start having that conversation with yourself and then the something to try of course is, you know, work the worry tool on something. And what I invite you to do is don’t wait until you’re in the midst of, oh, I feel like I’m really worrying and oh, I got to go find that thing that Laurel had and now I’ll work the tool. No, I want you to do it like an activity or an exercise like truly like homework. You know, grab the tool and think about something that you tend to worry about, but you’re not immersed in the worry of it right now so that you can sort of see how it works. It allows you to do it sort of as a step back when you’re not worrying about it.
Because here’s the thing about resilience, resilience is about building the skills before we need them. If we build the skills before we need them, then when the thing happens, when the big worry happens or you know the big stressful event happens, if we’ve already built the skills, it’s easy to then use them. It’s hard to build skills in the midst of something that feels weighty and all of that.
So, there is a blog in the show notes too about some more ideas on how to stop worrying or worry less or just kind of being, recognizing this idea that worries just to, it’s just a thought pattern in your head. It’s just a bad habit. You can have a whole new cool habit that frees up, you know, people always say they don’t have enough time to do stuff. Okay. There’s a way to claw back some time. If you add up all the minutes that you spend worrying, you know, you can maybe find a time to do some other stuff, more interesting stuff in your life.
So, that’s it for today. So be sure to subscribe wherever you get your podcasts so you don’t miss the next episode. And let’s continue the conversation about worry. So, when you go on the show notes and you scroll down, you’ll see the little invitation to join the conversation, post a comment like, hey, what do you worry about? Or I tried the tool and I’ve got questions or I don’t know, let’s just have a conversation about worrying. How influenced have you been by, you know, being around worriers? Lots of great conversation that we can have there.
Neela: And if people have ideas or questions for further episodes in our little conversation series or anything you’d like Laurel to talk about, put them in there and looking forward to kind of getting some feedback from the audience on how they’re enjoying Season Three. Any suggestions for episodes that they might have coming up in the future?
Laurel: Yeah, I love it. And here’s what I can tell you, if you post a comment in there, I will be in conversation with you. So, don’t feel like you’re going to post a comment and it kind of goes into the wind. I’m reading them and I will reply to you and we can have conversation cause that’s really what it’s all about. Especially while that’s what it’s all about all the time, but it’s especially what it’s all about in Season Three.
So, until next time, lovely ones. Take a pause and take a breath and then go and enjoy the beautiful day ahead of you.